{"id":1030,"date":"2020-05-29T23:30:11","date_gmt":"2020-05-30T03:30:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/?p=1030"},"modified":"2020-06-21T15:11:03","modified_gmt":"2020-06-21T19:11:03","slug":"boy-girl-paradox-and-the-language-of-probability","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/?p=1030","title":{"rendered":"Boy-Girl Paradox and the Language of Probability"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>It is odd how the phrasing of a question changes the meaning\nand interpretation of probability-based situations.&nbsp; Philosophically, we should expect a degree of\nfluidity because when we engage in thinking about and discussing probabilities\nwe wander into the twilight zone of thought.&nbsp;\nClear distinctions between what is known and what can be known, between\nepistemological uncertainty and ontological uncertainty (sometimes called <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ce.memphis.edu\/7137\/PDFs\/Abrahamson\/C05.pdf\">aleatory\nvariability<\/a>), and how and why we know are important if we ever want to\nemerge from the forest of confusion and doubt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For a simple example of some of the complexity that can\narise, consider the lowly coin flip.&nbsp;\nImagine you are at a friend\u2019s house and the two of you are arguing over\nwhat movie to watch.&nbsp; Your friend wants\nto watch <em>Predator<\/em> and you want to\nwatch <em>Alien<\/em>.&nbsp; You decide to settle the debate on a coin\nflip of the variety where he flips the coin, catches it, mashes it onto his arm\nwith his hand covering it, and then he invites you to call it heads or tails.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Coin-Toss.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1033\" width=\"388\" height=\"438\" srcset=\"https:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Coin-Toss.png 757w, https:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Coin-Toss-265x300.png 265w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 388px) 100vw, 388px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Assuming the coin is fair, you reckon that there is a\nfifty-fifty chance that you\u2019ll be enjoying Alien tonight while he just has to\ngrin and bear it.&nbsp; He then flips the coin\nand, as you contemplate the hidden disk upon which all your hopes and dreams\nride (at least as this evening\u2019s movie selection is concerned), you may be\nmoved to say that the probability of heads is 0.5.&nbsp; But in this you would be wrong.&nbsp; The probability of the flip coming up heads\nbefore it is tossed is 0.5 (an example of ontological uncertainty) but after\nyou friend has flipped and caught the coin there is a decided outcome.&nbsp; The correct way of phrasing the situation is\nto say that the probability that you will guess the already selected result is\n0.5 (an example of epistemological uncertainty).&nbsp; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hopefully this simple example has clarified these points a\nbit.&nbsp; Ontological uncertainty usually\narises when making predictions of physical outcomes of an event with the\ntraditional example being <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Problem_of_future_contingents\">Aristotle\u2019s\nsea battle<\/a>.&nbsp; Whether a sea battle\nwill happen tomorrow is a statement that cannot have definitive truth value\n(either true or false) and is an example where the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Law_of_excluded_middle\">law of the excluded\nmiddle<\/a> may be violated.&nbsp;\nEpistemological uncertainty arises when making decisions about the past\noutcome of an event with limited knowledge with a corresponding example being\nwhether the sea battle that happened today was a victory for one side or a\ndefeat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is very easy to get confused on these points, and an excellent example of this controversy was raised by Zach Star in his YouTube video entitled <em>This May Be The Most Counterintuitive Probability Paradox I&#8217;ve Ever Seen | Can you spot the error?<\/em> from April 7, 2019.\u00a0 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/bDZieLmya_I\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media;\ngyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I don\u2019t recommend watching the whole video precisely because Zach gets very contorted in the analysis of a variant of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Boy_or_Girl_paradox\">the Boy-Girl Paradox<\/a>, but it is an important precursor to his follow-up video entitled <em>The Boy or Girl Probability Paradox Resolved | It was never really a paradox<\/em> from April 11, 2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ElB350w8iJo\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope;\npicture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Even in his clarification video, he goes to some effort to\ncaution about his tenuous grasp of the right way to analyze the situation and\nwhy his earlier conclusions were wrong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To explain where the tangle arises, let\u2019s start with the most basic premise of the Boy-Girl Paradox that asks the following.\u00a0 Suppose you meet a father in a bar and, in the course of conversation (say over gin and tonics), he reveals that he has two children.\u00a0 What is the probability that he has two girls?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, assuming that boys and girls are equally likely, the probability is 0.25.\u00a0 This conclusion is straightforward but best presented in the following figure, which assumes that you\u2019ve now met 10,000 such two-children families (and have run up a large bar tab).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is a statement of ontological uncertainty.\u00a0 That is to say that, in families that have birthed two children, the random process of sex selection will distribute the sexes such that the proportions shown in the figure result.\u00a0 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Two-child-families.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1058\" width=\"580\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Two-child-families.png 857w, https:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Two-child-families-300x124.png 300w, https:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Two-child-families-768x317.png 768w, https:\/\/aristotle2digital.blogwyrm.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Two-child-families-810x335.png 810w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>But in the context of the bar conversation, the probability is really epistemological in that we are trying to determine, based on the clues we pick up, what is the probability that we will guess correctly.\u00a0 Since only 2,500 two-girl families are present in the population of 10,000 total families, the probability, if we guess correctly, that a given father has two girls, given no other data, is one quarter or 0.25.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now suppose that he lets slip that one of his children is a girl.\u00a0 This revelation provides a bit more data and so our expectation is that the probability should increase and so it does because we now get to exclude all the families with two boys.\u00a0 Our two-girl families remain at 2,500 but the population against which it is measured as a proportion has dropped to 7,500 and the probability that we will correctly guess that the father has two girls rises to 1\/3.\u00a0 Let me underline this last distinction.\u00a0 The probability that the father has two girls if he has two children is always 1\/4 ontologically.\u00a0 What we are doing at this point is narrowing our epistemological uncertainty.\u00a0 \u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now comes the tricky part that initially caused Zach Star to stumble.\u00a0 Suppose that a given father says one of his children is named Julie.\u00a0 Star says that the probability that the man has two girls has risen to one half or 0.5.\u00a0 He reasons that conclusion this way.\u00a0 Assume that the probability of a girl being named Julie is 1\/100 (the actual probability value doesn\u2019t matter but this value is convenient).\u00a0 Then the set of one-girl families supplies 50 girls who meet the bill (on average of course \u2013 that is why we took the number of families large to begin with so that we could ignore fluctuations).\u00a0 The set of two-girl families, while half the size when taken in aggregate as a two-child household, supplies 50 girls as well, since they have two girls for each one in the other set.\u00a0 Ergo, the probability is 0.5.\u00a0 And this change in probability is a paradox to him because how can knowing the name Julie make a difference.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This way of talking is sloppy for several reasons.\u00a0 First, as pointed out before, the ontological probability never changes; what changes is our ability to guess properly, and that should go up or down as new info is provided.\u00a0 Second, and more important, the reasoning is wrong.\u00a0 Only half the fathers in the two-daughter set are going to randomly mention that they have a daughter named Julie even if there are 50 Julies to be found.\u00a0 That is because they have no incentive to select Julie over the other daughter, whatever her name may be.\u00a0 If, however, we systematically poll each family and ask if they have a daughter named Julie then we will be sure to uncover all the ones in the two-child set.\u00a0 This process increases our knowledge and so it should decrease our epistemological uncertainty.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s amazing how easy it is to get tangled up in probability.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It is odd how the phrasing of a question changes the meaning and interpretation of probability-based situations.&nbsp; Philosophically, we should expect a degree of fluidity because when we engage in&#8230; 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